097 | Entrepreneurs on Fire's John Lee Dumas Talks About Becoming a Leader

This show might not exist without John Lee Dumas and his team at Entrepreneurs on Fire. They helped me get it on the air. In April 2015, John came on to talk about how he became a leader, and his answer was simple: he was made, not born. Listen for the day he quit a job that had just decided to keep him.

His line for anyone stuck right now: it takes courage to quit something.

This is the second replay on the run to episode 100. It is from 2015, so skip the prices and web addresses and keep the rest.

AI disclosure: my chief of staff, Amber, is an AI. She helped me write the new intro and close around this interview. The thank-you to John is mine.

My book, Leadership for Entrepreneurs, is on Kindle: bobnolley.com/book